Packard Chauffeur School to World War 1 Airplanes and Letters regarding My Grandfather
88I never met my paternal grandfather because he died when my dad was only eight years old, so I have only heard stories about him from my grandmother when she was alive. She always spoke of him as being such a "fine man."
Recently due to some family history put together by a first cousin and his daughter on Ancestry.com I have come to learn more.
Between that and some photos and old typed as well as a hand written letter of recommendation I feel as though I am learning more about my grandfather.
Previously I have written about some hand-written letters to my grandfather from a Mr. Howard Rogers. One was dated 1920 and the other, 1921. They were safely tucked away in an old cigar box and related to friendly discourse about crops and such in Frisco, Texas. But they also had references to shared experiences they both had in World War 1 on those early airplanes in the 50th Aero Squadron which is obviously where they met and from which time they maintained a friendship.
The letters that will be shared here are earlier and pertain to what my grandfather had accomplished leading up to those days.
My grandfather as a chauffeur
- The Milwaukee Journal - Google News Archive Search
Re: Welch Bros. Motor Car Co. - Packard - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Packard
This first letter dated December eighth 1910 on Welch Bros. Motor Car Co. stationary also had a Packard emblem in the upper left corner, so obviously they were in some way affiliated with the luxury car manufacturer prior to selling out to the Packard Motor Car Company in November 4, 1911. The first Packard vehicles were built in 1899.
Inserted in this hub is a link to The Milwaukee Journal Newspaper article announcing that sale date.
My grandfather grew up on a farm in Sullivan, Wisconsin. Whatever made him become interested in learning how to become a chauffeur I will probably never know for certain. Perhaps he liked tinkering with motors and engines? Perhaps he had some wanderlust?
The first Model T Fords were just being produced late in the year 1908 and the Wright brothers first lifted a man off of the ground and successfully flew for a short time in their flying machine called an airplane in December of 1903.
So these were times of change and big dreams of how people moved from one place to another. The entire world was about to transition from a slower paced society to one of more rapid developments in many ways yet unimagined. Horses and carts were to be replaced by these new "horseless carriages" and flying machines would have people traveling further and faster than previously possible in past years.
These first two letters show that my grandfather went to Milwaukee which was about 30 miles or so from where he had been living and after learning what he did at the Packard factory (which was probably the one in Detroit, Michigan) he graduated from the Packard Chauffeurs's School in Milwaukee and successfully worked for Mr. Washington Becker, president of the Marine National Bank who then recommended his services as a trained and conscientious chauffeur.
Chauffeurs were trained not only to be courteous and respectful to their employers; be proficient with their driving skills, but they also had to keep the luxury automobiles in tip top shape which is where the mechanic training would have come into play.
Obviously only the wealthy people back in that day and age could afford chauffeurs which would have been a full time job for the chauffeur.
Today there are many companies that offer chauffeur driven limousines or other vehicles that can be hired just for special occasions.
Packard Chauffers' School letter of reference
Pasadena, California
Judging from the timeline of these letters and the recorded memories of my grandmother, my grandfather took his first chauffeur job (after his training and evaluation period) in Pasadena, California and worked for a Mr. Edward F. Robbins for over five years.
He loved to dance and did some dancing as a background character in some movies and earned a little money doing that. But apparently he earned enough money as a chauffeur that he had a home built in Pasadena which he later sold after marrying my grandmother to fund the building of their home on Okauchee Lake in Wisconsin as well as a string of cottages as an income investment.
Letter of recommendation from California
Brewster Knight cars
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Let me just say that I am not a car aficionado and do not know that much about cars. If I cannot read the name of a car from an insignia attached to the outside, I rarely know the name of the cars on the streets today with few exceptions.
That was not always the case. When I was a child and my family would be taking road trips, one of our games was to identify the type of cars on the road. There were not that many different kinds back then and they had distinctive body styles and hood ornaments which identified them as to the car maker.
Seeing how many license plates from different states we could identify was another game. Even if there were radios in the cars, reception was not always good so we would talk, sing and interact with each other in these and other ways.
Thus seeing these next letters of reference on Brewster & Co. letterheads and learning about this high end automobile manufacturer in New York was an education for me.
Apparently my grandfather wished to enlarge his body of knowledge and worked as a mechanic learning even more than previously taught from the Packard school.
The most prestigious French car of the time was the Delaunay-Belleville which was imported by Brewster & Co. in 1905. They were also the sales agent in the United States for Rolls Royce and produced their own luxury car known as the Brewster Knight by 1915.
The auto plant producing these rare and expensive cars was located in Long Island City and that was my grandfather's next destination. People like the Vanderbilt's, Astor's and others even had their own special colors when their Brewster cars were produced and no one else could have the same color.
The next letters of reference refer to the work that my grandfather did while working at Brewster & Co.
1911 Delaunay Belleville HB4
Brewster & Co. letters of reference / recommendation
After his time spent learning the mechanics of these luxury cars worked on at Brewster & Co. my grandfather once again worked as a chauffeur in New York City for around a year and a half for Mr. J.H. Eagle prior to enlisting as a soldier for World War 1.
Photo of my grandfather as a chauffeur prior to World War 1
- http://bellefonte.net/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/eaglesilkmill.pdf
Some history of J.H.& C.K. Eagle company
My paternal grandfather during WW1
J.H. & C.K. Eagle
The person for whom my grandfather worked as a personal chauffeur was J.H. Eagle.
J.H. Eagle and his brother, C.K. Eagle built and operated silk mills. They had facilities in six different places but had their main office in New York.
The raw silk was purchased in Asia, shipped to the United States where it was dyed and spun into thread and where the weaving took place.
When World War 1 broke out, my grandfather along with many other patriotic men joined the war effort. He became affiliated with the 50th Aero Squadron and became responsible for keeping those early bi-planes functioning and air worthy.
Obviously according to this next letter, Mr. J.H. Eagle would have welcomed him back to work for him once again as a chauffeur after my grandfather's war service was ended.
Letter from Mr. J.H. Eagle to my grandfather in the 50th Aero Squadron during WW1
My grandfather during WW1
Early Airplanes
This last letter also refers to my grandfather's expertise with regard to automobile engines which also (obviously) translated to knowing about those early airplane engines since that is the area in which he served during the first World War. It is not dated and I do not know how or why my grandfather would have known the president of this company from Crystal City, Texas and for a seven year duration of time.
Mr. J.H. Eagle's letter makes reference to sending a letter to Texas. Perhaps he did some basic training in Texas?
The Airmen of the First World War
Charles Lindbergh
According to my grandmother, my grandfather knew Charles Lindbergh. This photo of Charles Lindbergh was given to my grandfather.
When my grandmother was still alive I unfortunately never asked her how or why this connection had been made.
Obviously both men were interested in motors and the early days of flight.
Of course Charles Lindbergh became instantly famous world-wide when he completed the first solo trans-Atlantic non-stop flight in his airplane named the Spirit of St. Louis when he piloted the plane from an airfield in Long Island New York to Paris, France in May of 1927.
Photo of Charles Lindbergh
Charles Lindbergh flight 1927
After the war my grandfather returned to his home town of Okauchee and got engaged and later married my grandmother. They had been corresponding with one another for many years.
I found this journey looking through these old letters and photos interesting not only because of learning more about my grandfather whom I never got to meet as he died when my dad was still a child but also for their historical references to some of those early luxury cars and the people whom my grandfather got to meet along the way.
Interesting letters to my paternal grandfather after WW1...
- Old Letter from WWI War Buddy in Frisco, Texas dated 1921
Handwritten letter from 1921 from a war buddy of my grandfather's after World War 1. They were both involved in operating those early bi-planes in the European Theatre. Interesting look back into history! - Old Correspondence Letter from 1920 found in Vintage Cigar Box
Learn about Alcazar the horse; what my grandfather's WW1 war pilot buddy was doing in Frisco, TX; handwritten letters and what people do with cigar boxes today.
More family history with different subjects...
- I have Rocks in My Head, OOPS!, I mean Bed!
I still have some rocks in my garden from my grandmother's rock garden on Okauchee Lake from many years ago. My love of rocks goes waaaay back! - As a Child my Dad was Punctual ~ Punctuality Awards in the 1930s
Life and times (with photos) of my Dad growing up in the 1920's in Okauchee, Wisconsin. School award photos...1930's. - West Houston Airport ~ Commemorative Air Force WWII Aircraft ~ Paratroopers and My Dad
Getting to actually walk into a paratroop transport WW2 airplane such as my dad would have experienced was a rare treat indeed. My husband and I got to see that and many other vintage planes still in flying condition at the Commemorative Air Force s
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With their common background in cars and "aeroplanes", have you checked into whether your grandfather might have known race car driver, American ace and later Eastern Airlines owner Eddie Rickenbacker?
Wow, such a factual hub, I envy the actual pictures I wish could have historical pictures of my grandparents...I only have the story, not the pictures due to our "nomadic life" as a missionary family. This is a perfect hub to trace family roots...Pefectly done hub. Thanks for sharing.
You are so lucky to have these remembrances of your grandfather, having to do with technology no less. I have nothing at all from either of my grandfathers. Voting this Up and Interesting. Thanks for SHARING.
Hi, Peggy, I have often wondered whether to write about my mum, I may write her funny stories of being in the waafs she had some really good stories to tell, thanks I may well do that, I will have to think which ones to do, thanks!
Hi, what fascinating family history, apart from being a chauffeur having such an important job of maintaining those first aircraft was amazing, my mum was in the RAF and so was my uncle but that was the second world war, this is great not only for your memories but also for anybody out there researching their history and maybe even knowing your family back then, rated up! cheers nell
It sounds awesome to have a grandfather who was a great chauffeur and has the letters to prove it, AND who flew the first warplanes. It's always interesting to learn about the past and when our elders were younger.
Peggy,
The first automobile looks like a 1909 Packard Model 18. The hubcaps, lights, and front fenders give it away. You can find photos of a car like this one online by typing the info I mentioned in your search engine. I did learn that we are not able to pin down the exact Simplex your grandfather is driving in the other photo, but the license plate number for Mr. Eagle's Simplex in 1913 was 14923. In 1914, that same car had a New York license plate with 20987. The pictures are super and I've saved them for the work I'm doing on Brewster and company. If I come across your grandfather's name in any of the journals, I will forward that info to you.
God bless, Franl
Peggy,
I was describing the second photo of him in the chauffeur's seat. I forwarded the photo to my friend who informs me that the Eagle brothers did have Simplex automobiles registered in 1913 & 1914 in NYC. Bill believes this to be a 1913 Simplex because it is very similar to one in a '13 catalogue on Simplex. I've asked Bil if he can give me the chassis number to pass along. In other words, we'll attempt to let you know the exact car in the photo. God bless, Frank
Peggy, I have been researching Brewster & Company for the past 20 months throughout the Brewster Journals at the NYC Public Library. So, I was interested to see your grandfather's story and his connection to Brewster. There is a picture of him as a chauffeur and I can tell you that he is driving a Brewster bodied automobile. I believe it may be a Simplex, but am not certain. I've asked a friend and Simplex expert to give me his thoughts about the picture. I was wondering if there is anything written on the back of the photo. I do not find Mr. Eagle as having owned a Brewster bodied automobile, but the Brewster Journals are not complete. Thanks so much for sharing your grandfather's story.
God bless, Frank
Another true gem Peggy;you always put so much effort and care into your hubs Peggy and not one leaves me feeling flat.
Great work again my friend and has to be awarded that up up and away !!!!
Take care and have a great day.
Eddy.
I love your stories about family history. This one was really interesting. Your grandfather was a very industrious and multi-faceted man! His life was full of adventure and doing what he loved-a great way to live. Thanks for sharing his story!
Peggy, there is something I like about you. Your still keep the memorabilia in the past and you want to share this with us. I am glad to see the picture and all documents here. Thank you very much. Well done and rated up!
Blessing and hugs,
Wow Peggy all your hubs are so interesting and this one is truly amazing.
You always give your 100% and this one I am voting up up and away plus bookmarking.
Take care Peggy and enjoy your day.
Eddy.
Oh Peggy. Another interesting and wonderful story of the life of your grandfather. It is amazing the collection of photos, letters and conversations you preserved from your grandmother and the fact that your grandfather was a private Chauffeur and that Charles Lindbergh played a role in your grandfather's life as well as many influential people. I truly honour members of families who collected great history for the future. Your hub will go into a historical library for sure. A marvelous memorable story of your grandfather. Great photos and videos.
I didn't know they had schools for chauffeurs back then.Because planes were not so common as now I suspect fliers were sort of like a club and tended to know each other.One does find out interesting things in family histories.
This is a very interesting look at your grandfather’s life and history, Peggy. I’m generally not interested in cars, but your hub was definitely an exception! I enjoyed learning about the old cars and seeing them in the photos and video. You’ve tempted me to do research about my maternal grandmother, who died before I was born. She seems to have been a lovely lady and I’ve always regretted not knowing her.
You did a great job of bringing us into the past and personalizing it with awesome photos and documents. I've been working on my tree on Ancestry and have found there are many interesting stories lurking behind the names on those branches. Great job!
Wow, this sure is an extra fine hub here. Never before seen vintage photos(even one with Lindbergh), the reference letters, the cool vids and of course your grandfathers history. Mr. Vogt led quite a life. Isn't something how the skilled art of chauffeuring could be enumerable enough back then to do what he was able to do. Awesome article and you must feel the same elation with these pics as I did with the old Carolina farm ones.
Quite interesting.
Gene
I really enjoyed your story. I once did our family tree and was fascinated by what I found out about the careers of many.
Voted interesting!
PS Putting pen to paper really brings these story's to life doesn't it?
You are very lucky to have some really fine memorabilia here. Thanks for sharing it. We all have those regrets about what we failed to ask before it was too late. Such is life. ...sigh.


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Peggy W Hub Author 2 months ago
Hello htodd,
Glad that you enjoyed this hub about the Packard Chauffeur school and the part my grandfather played when it came to those World War 1 airplanes. Thanks for leaving a comment.